I'm curious how Cern strips the electrons from Hydrogen atoms. Im assuming that they use a powerful electrical force to "tug" on the electrons. Any help is appreciated.
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They use a duoplasmatron.
Basically an electrical discharge in hydrogen gas between
a hot cathode and an anode plate with a hole in it.
Basically an electrical discharge in hydrogen gas between
a hot cathode and an anode plate with a hole in it.
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@ Josh:
Yes, that's true, an H+ ion IS just a proton. So how does that help to produce protons? Where can you get a bottle of protons?
In practice, you need to start with H₂ gas, split it into neutral H, then ionize them, and direct the e˜s one way, and the p⁺s another.
Or do both in one stroke.
Yes, that's true, an H+ ion IS just a proton. So how does that help to produce protons? Where can you get a bottle of protons?
In practice, you need to start with H₂ gas, split it into neutral H, then ionize them, and direct the e˜s one way, and the p⁺s another.
Or do both in one stroke.
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Im not sure the specifics but if you remember when a particle is passed through a magnetic field it experiences a force..
F = qvB
where q is the charge
v is the velocity
B is the magnetic field
so take a hydrogen atom it has one electron and one proton ...
when passed through the field that is across its path
the electron would have a force in the negative direction and the proton in the positive..
this means that when the hydrogen particle is pushed through the magnetic field the force of the field would pull it appart if the magnetic field is strong enough..
you could also pull the electron from the proton by passing the particle through an electric field
F = Eq
again the field would pull one particle one way and the other the other way ... since the proton has larger mass
F = ma for the electron
F = -Ee
therefore
ma = -Ee
a = -Ee/m
since the mass is small the acceleration would be large
with the proton though
Ma = Ee
a = Ee/M
with the larger M the mass of the proton is 1800 times the mass of the electron
a = Ee/1800m
ap = -(ae)/1800
so we see the acceleration of the proton would be much much lower this means the electrons can be drawn off the proton and pulled toward the positive plate while leaving the positive nucleus to pass through the plates at a angle but bascially passing out the device...
you can see all you need to do is apply some kind of force to liberate the electron..
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F = qvB
where q is the charge
v is the velocity
B is the magnetic field
so take a hydrogen atom it has one electron and one proton ...
when passed through the field that is across its path
the electron would have a force in the negative direction and the proton in the positive..
this means that when the hydrogen particle is pushed through the magnetic field the force of the field would pull it appart if the magnetic field is strong enough..
you could also pull the electron from the proton by passing the particle through an electric field
F = Eq
again the field would pull one particle one way and the other the other way ... since the proton has larger mass
F = ma for the electron
F = -Ee
therefore
ma = -Ee
a = -Ee/m
since the mass is small the acceleration would be large
with the proton though
Ma = Ee
a = Ee/M
with the larger M the mass of the proton is 1800 times the mass of the electron
a = Ee/1800m
ap = -(ae)/1800
so we see the acceleration of the proton would be much much lower this means the electrons can be drawn off the proton and pulled toward the positive plate while leaving the positive nucleus to pass through the plates at a angle but bascially passing out the device...
you can see all you need to do is apply some kind of force to liberate the electron..
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You do not need the LHC to ionise a Hydrogen atom. A hydrogen ion is just a proton.